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Gun Licensing
« Thread Started on Apr 17, 2007, 1:30pm »

Okay, so there was that horrible shooting at VT yesterday, and my friend and I got to talking about gun licensing. He thinks that a concealed carry policy is a good idea, because it would even the playing field. I, however, disagree. I wouldn't want to go to school with a whole bunch of people who could be carrying guns. I don't think that solves ANYTHING because every argument over a parking space could escalate into a shoot-out. I'm sure some gun owners are responsible, but come on, there are stupid, sick people out there that would simply shoot people for no reason.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #1 on Apr 17, 2007, 1:38pm »

i totally agree with you. i think that over the years we have gotten a little bit too lenient with our policies regarding gun licensing. it seems that obtaining a deadly weapon is as easy as buying a new album.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #2 on Apr 17, 2007, 2:44pm »

I don't understand why the average person needs to carry a gun. Very few people here in the UK own guns, and those who do have to go through hell to obtain a licence. There are other ways to find security and self-protection. Is it really so commonplace in the US to own firearms? I honestly don't know a single person who owns a gun or even has guns in their family.

I realise there is a culture difference between the two countries, however I do feel that US laws should be tightened on this front. The shooting yesterday appears to have been executed by someone who was mentally unstable: I read that he had found his girlfriend in bed with another man and had then gone on his rampage. Perhaps psychological testing should be brought into the matter?

Also, anyone with fanatical ideals should be barred from having guns. I realise that this is not so easy to discern, but I remember hearing that the Columbine shootings were executed by students who were Nazi fanatics.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #3 on Apr 17, 2007, 4:58pm »

Not a lot of people in Canada carry guns, either. I don't know one person who owns one.

The friend I was talking to mentioned that security is the responsibility of the individual. He mentioned that in Vermont, you get taxed MORE if you don't carry a gun, I thought that was ridiculous.

Let's say I have a gun, and I meet someone else who may or may not have a gun, and we get into an arugment. If I even have the slightest inclination that this person is going to shoot me, I'll shoot them first. Then it comes out later that that person doesn't even have a gun, and what I originally thought to be self-defense was really just murder. Carrying guns doesn't make anything safer, it simply makes small issues into life-or-death situations.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #4 on Apr 17, 2007, 5:04pm »

I don't think people should be allowed to carry guns around wherever they go, but I do say all should be allowed to have guns for self defence. Some do take advantage of this, but they are idiots and should be closely watched. What happens if we take the guns away from the responsible ones too? No self-defence, and that could be just as bad...I dunnoooooooo/

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #5 on Apr 17, 2007, 5:19pm »

There was a case here some time ago where a farmer shot at trespassers on his property, killing one of them. He lived alone and was woken in the night by burglars entering his house. That man is now in jail for having committed murder, when in actual fact it was probably just an act of desperation and a result of fright because the poor guy lived alone. Having three men shining torches around your house in the middle of the night has to be one of the most frightening things I can imagine.

I suppose my point is, had that man not owned a gun, he might not have resorted to such drastic measures. But of course, this comes down to Lindsey's point about not knowing whether the other person is going to be able to shoot you.

To my mind, the answer is that normal civilians should not be allowed to carry guns per se. But I worry that perhaps America in particular is too far past that to return to it. And, of course, it is deemed a right there.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #6 on Apr 17, 2007, 5:23pm »

Yeah, it is, but what would have happened if the farmer hadn't had a gun and those people WERE trying to rob and maybe even kill him? He wouldn't have been able to defend himself. It's not fair to him, is it?

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #7 on Apr 17, 2007, 5:27pm »

But if nobody was allowed to have guns, then it wouldn't even be an issue, right?

I don't know...nobody in Canada really owns guns, and while there's still crime, there's not as much as there is in the States. I mean I can go into a store and leave my car keys in the ignition, the doors unlocked and the car running without really worrying about it.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #8 on Apr 18, 2007, 5:27pm »

Yeah, well, stuff isn't always going to be perfect. You may not have a lot of issues in Canada but we do in America, which is a whole new reason on why we SHOULD be able to have guns. It's half-and-half with me because of all the violence that can come from them from FREAKS like the person who killed those kids at V-TECH, but what about the ones who ARE responsible. It's just a hard thing to explain.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #9 on Apr 18, 2007, 5:49pm »

There are probably just as many people capable of committing gun crimes in Canada - the only difference is they don't have the guns to do it.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #10 on Apr 18, 2007, 5:51pm »

Well I am sure that there are, no doubt in my mind, but I still think we should all be able to have guns for protection. I dont think they should be allowed outside of the home, though, because that is mostly when tragic things happen, like at the school.

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Re: Gun Licensing
« Reply #11 on Apr 18, 2007, 6:01pm »

But that's the point of the argument of the "Concealed Carry" law. People can walk around with guns hidden all over the place. That doesn't really even the field, it just makes it more dangerous.

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